2018.10.28 Update.

And it’s not just STEM.
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One of my husband’s favourite stories is about a woman who managed to be the first medical student at one British university – her husband was very supportive and encouraging in her endeavours to do this. About 20 years ago we took on a bright female IT graduate. She had married while at university and, unfortunately, her husband did not do so well in his career initially. Most of the faculty really, really hated her being there. And even if true, how does it compare to Marie Curie’s brain? (Remember, she got twice as many Nobel Prizes as Einstein). She was obviously going to do well, and did. I suspect there may be a difference in who is in “the teams” and who gets to be the “manager”. She was the only woman among a couple of hundred male students.

There were always plenty of women students, but why were orchestras so dominated by men? Turns out all you need is a screen so selection panels can’t see musicians during the audition. Originally Posted by ox Whatever…I was trying to find out what gives some men a sudden startling inspirational idea, rather than trying to start a debate on gender and intelligence.My superheroes provide examples:Darwin / Wallace – realised how life survives on earth when it could so easily have fizzled out.Newton – realised that an invisible force held the whole universe together.Einstein – realised that space + time is fluid, and gravity is not a force but a form of geometry.Lemaitre – realised that the universe started in a cosmic fireball.Hamilton / Dawkins and others – realised that bodies are for the survival of genes.I understand that these and many others were the result of a flash of inspiration when simply reflecting on the problem in hand, rather than exhaustive time consuming research which a woman raising her kids might not have time for. It should all point to the brain and nervous system shouldn’t it? Apparently not, if you had read any of the responses above. Why do you start bringing rude remarks about women into the discussion? All I meant was there there is a certain distance, coldness, perhaps solitariness, a dispassionate quality, about preoccupation with the physical sciences, as opposed to the humanities: language, literature, history, the arts, which are all about the interactions between people. I’m not sure if this is deliberate in order to try and support some particular point of view, or just due to ignorance.

Its not just women that have been done down either – Alfred Russell Wallace arguably did more for evolutionary theory than Darwin but Darwin was rich and Wallace wasn’t. Wrong. They were also, as Newton put it, standing on the shoulders of giants. She had married while at university and, unfortunately, her husband did not do so well in his career initially. Only 9 of them appear to be women. I’ve got a book in front of me called ‘What is your Dangerous Idea?’ with contributions from 108 authors. It should all point to the brain and nervous system shouldn’t it? When Einstein’s brain was removed it was allegedly found to have some special features.

So difference in that context is universally accepted and considered to be a benefit. Faculty participants rated the male applicant as significantly more competent and hireable than the (identical) female applicant. The point being that these instances are from the last few years. It’s even more incredible to think many people still do. Science faculty Take away quote from abstract. Originally Posted by Strange Originally Posted by adelady 1. Yet the moment it is suggested that there may be differences in tendency towards various fields of academic study, people jump up, hotly deny that it could possibly be so, and then embark on ad hominem attacks on the person with the temerity to make such a suggestion. A study using identical applications for laboratory manager jobs but with male/female names substituted. If you have taken in any of the comments on this thread, you will see that the bald statistic of 108 vs. 9 proves nothing about men vs.women.

I understood gender discrimination once I added “Mr.” to my resume and landed a job – QuartzTake away quote She was the example everyone used to show that it could be done, but that most women just didn’t want to. Only 9 of them appear to be women. And that it seems to me possible that there might be an intrinsic difference between the sexes as to the proportions of each sex who are attracted to this world.Modern management books expatiate at length on the different qualities that women bring to management positions in organisations, compared to men, and how valuable they are to the organisation. It was much, much harder 20, 50, 150 years ago. I’ve got a book in front of me called ‘What is your Dangerous Idea?’ with contributions from 108 authors. About 20 years ago we took on a bright female IT graduate. So it seems to me we have a bit of cognitive dissonance here, related I suspect to the ghastly modern politics of sexual difference. Her husband encouraged her. One clever clogs thought he’d put her in her place.

Only 9 of them appear to be women. Originally Posted by ox I understand that these and many others were the result of a flash of inspiration when simply reflecting on the problem in hand, rather than exhaustive time consuming research which a woman raising her kids might not have time for. I would not go looking at the pelvis for the answer, though. And it is generally agreed he made the story up.)I am quite sure that one could put together an equally long list of women who have come up with brilliant ideas (whether by hard work or inspiration). And it’s not just STEM.

He was horrified! Spluttering, “B- b- but it’s erect.” Yes, she said, “I’ve never seen it any other way.” Two take-aways from this story. 1. Gradually. When Einstein’s brain was removed it was allegedly found to have some special features.

Her husband encouraged her. This has been the case in most cultures for thousands of years, and the very recent gender equality revolution(s) still have to fight against the gargantuan momentum that history has had a chance to gain over time.It will change. Originally Posted by adelady I suppose the combined implication of what you and I are saying is that if you are female and you opt for hard science-related job, you have a far higher chance of being selected than a man would have. Many couples don’t make equal wages (both ways male/female, female/male) but many don’t feel, I guess inadequate? because of it.

Bloke with a unisex name had trouble getting a job in the area. Because the social norms have pushed for the woman to make a baby then take care of said baby and bring it up, while the man has port and cigars and works. Darwin and Wallace both spent many years developing their ideas and collecting evidence. The open hostility of faculty and students towards women participating in these areas. I find that sad.

So, again: it is simply selection bias on your part. But history has been written by men and by rich, white men too. But that’s OK because that was not your point anyway, right? I’ve got a book in front of me called ‘What is your Dangerous Idea?’ with contributions from 108 authors. Then I am pretty sure you understand wrong. Whatever…I was trying to find out what gives some men a sudden startling inspirational idea, rather than trying to start a debate on gender and intelligence.My superheroes provide examples:Darwin / Wallace – realised how life survives on earth when it could so easily have fizzled out.Newton – realised that an invisible force held the whole universe together.Einstein – realised that space + time is fluid, and gravity is not a force but a form of geometry.Lemaitre – realised that the universe started in a cosmic fireball.Hamilton / Dawkins and others – realised that bodies are for the survival of genes.I understand that these and many others were the result of a flash of inspiration when simply reflecting on the problem in hand, rather than exhaustive time consuming research which a woman raising her kids might not have time for. Oh, they haven’t examined her brain? No point.

When he got to the topic of male anatomy he “invited” her to the board to draw a picture of male genitalia. Originally Posted by LuciDreaming I haven’t got the study to hand but there is still the residual idea in the UK anyway that girls are not expected to be good at maths by their teachers so when they aren’t, nobody bothers. Even now there are many husbands, and fathers, and brothers, and other relatives, who actively discourage their women family members from STEM fields. 2. I think you’ve rather gone off the deep end over what I was trying to convey. Citation needed. Orchestrating Impartiality: The Impact of “Blind” Auditions on Female Musicians Thanks for that top 5 essay writing services
, Adelady. It was even more stark in music. So she did. It has nothing to do with pelvis size or gender brain difference.

Within a few years of them both graduating and working, they got divorced because he could not cope with her earning more than him. After all, she is just a woman. Some of these ideas may have been presented after the fact as sudden breakthroughs to make a good story. (Newton’s apple may be the only one in that category, though. You should write a letter of complaint to the publishers for their obvious bias. Slowly, but surely. She was obviously going to do well, and did.

Gender has nothing to do with personality, rationality or the ability to control emotions. Some men are coldly rational and some men aren’t. Exchemist – “few women are as coldly rational”????

Would you like me to send you a tardis to rescue you from the 1970’s or are you happy there? Personality traits and dispositions are not gender related – some women are coldly rational – I think the derogatory terms used by males for that disposition are things like “ball breaker”, “frigid”, “ice-maiden” etc., and some women aren’t. It should all point to the brain and nervous system shouldn’t it? When Einstein’s brain was removed it was allegedly found to have some special features. Even now there are many husbands, and fathers, and brothers, and other relatives, who actively discourage their women family members from STEM fields. If you are not trying to debate sex (I hate “gender” outside the context of grammar) and intelligence, why did you title the thread as you did and why do you cite this statistic? Don’t be disingenuous.I suspect if you set them all down with dates against the idea and order them by date, you will find the contributions from women come at the end of the c.19th or in the c.20th.

That is a dead end right there. It’s embarrassing to think I once believed that. These participants also selected a higher starting salary and offered more career mentoring to the male applicant. Within a few years of them both graduating and working, they got divorced because he could not cope with her earning more than him.

Putting women in authority continues to be a challenge for old-fashioned organisations.

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